Now, the only effect seems to be keeping you in good graces at cocktail parties.
I'm exaggerating. They still claim (and believe) that it prevents serious illness and death. Of course, as a virus mutates, it does typically becomes less deadly, so the statistics will always lean that direction and the actual credit deserved by the vaccine is hard to extract.
There are still places here in SF where I'm denied access because I'm not vaxxed. And I haven't had so much as a sniffle these past 3 years. The pro mask pro vax atmosphere here has been tough on my psyche, however.
I am from SF and lived there until I was married. I would not go there now if you paid me. The shedding alone! I guess the plan is for China to get that land on the cheap.
Oh dear. I don't know if shedding happens or not. But if you think it makes sense to spend any time worrying about it, I think you are as lost as the maskers and the people who keep getting boosted. If shedding is real, you're not going to be able to avoid it. Face it. None of us are going to live forever.
I live a few minutes south of the city proper. It probably shouldn't be underestimated the extent the last couple of months has been unlike anything that preceeded it. In my opinion, the vast majority of people around here were fairly vigilant throughout 2020 and 2021, but by Spring 2022, they were "over it", and concluded that it was no longer worth the effort to arrange their lives around avoiding a COVID infection. The result has been that essentially everyone has gotten COVID, and most of us for the first time during the pandemic. We delayed the inevitable, but in the end, it was not possible to avoid it. How those numbers show up in official figures I don't know, because it's also coincided with the ubiquitous availability of home rapid tests.
It was never worth it to *anyone* to rearrange their life to avoid a Covid infection. Can't be done anyhow short of never coming into contact with another human being ever. Stop this nonsense. It's not about being vigilant.
I live in SF. I am not vaccinated. I do not wear a mask unless I have to go to a medical or dental office. Since March 2020 I have had 2 or 3 mild colds. I have never been tested for Covid and as far as I know I have never had it. I never catch the new strains of flu every year. Why does everyone say that catching Covid is inevitable? Maybe it is but I am not convinced.
Agreed, just pointing out that in my immediate environment, the vast majority of people did attempt to avoid infection from March 2020 to circa April 2022, but then after that, they did not. That could explain more than anything else the relatively high level of infections and hospitalizations this spring and early summer.
You can't escape a respiratory virus by being careful and as soon that gets to be common knowledge, the better off we'll all be.
What you are saying is that people didn't get sick because they were being careful and then got sick because dropped their guard. That is complete nonsense. Being careful might keep you from being mugged but viruses don't attack you like criminals.
Eh . . . I'm sympathetic to that argument, but it wasn't my experience. My son's school had weekly testing, I didn't allow them to test him, but most parents did allow it. They sent the report home weekly. So basically August 2021 until last month, we got a weekly report of exactly how many kids tested positive for COVID out of roughly 400. And basically, it was always zero until April 2022, and from then until the end of the school year, there were always been at least a dozen or so kids at the school testing positive every week.
We didn't take any measures beyond those required to avoid COVID and nobody in my immediate or extended family or of my immediate neighbors and friends maybe one or two out of 100 got COVID from March 2020 to April 2022. Since then, I'd say 90 out of 100 have gotten it. Nearly everyone I know.
I'm not really suggesting that I know any the exact reason why for two years of a pandemic essentially nobody around me got infected, and then in the last three months of the pandemic, nearly everyone got infected. But I will say that it's also a fact that behaviors changed around April this year as well, masks were dropped, social distancing rules eliminated, etc. But there were also supposedly more highly contagious variants circulating. So, again, I'm not the scientist, I'm just reporting a data point.
The data indicates that the vaccinated are most of the people who are getting sick. So as the number of shots people get increases, the more likely they are to get sick. That seems to be more logical an explanation.
Please understand. Social distancing doesn't work, masks don't work. You can find statistics that show that. Unfortunately, the vaccines don't work either but they make it more likely for people to get sick. The increases lately are probably due to the worthless boosters and the fact that any slight bit immunity that people may be getting from the vaccines wears off quickly. The shot also appears to wreck a person's natural immunity and the more shots a person gets, the worse their immunity.
Do we have data on the ages of the hospitalized or if they had any co-morbidities?
I overhear lots of covid talk in cafes etc. I heard a guy in the park the other day say how his friend woke up with Guillain-Barre. Of course he thinks it's from covid and not the vax.
What exactly do they claim the vaccines do again?
Depends on "when" they made the claims. Early on, it was everything and the kitchen sink:
https://youtu.be/s9ufoniYiZQ
Now, the only effect seems to be keeping you in good graces at cocktail parties.
I'm exaggerating. They still claim (and believe) that it prevents serious illness and death. Of course, as a virus mutates, it does typically becomes less deadly, so the statistics will always lean that direction and the actual credit deserved by the vaccine is hard to extract.
Prevent serious illness and death. Why doesn't this article have a graphic of deaths?
There are still places here in SF where I'm denied access because I'm not vaxxed. And I haven't had so much as a sniffle these past 3 years. The pro mask pro vax atmosphere here has been tough on my psyche, however.
If I haven't had enough sleep the night before and I go outside, I end up yelling at the stupid people wearing masks. Can't help it!
I am from SF and lived there until I was married. I would not go there now if you paid me. The shedding alone! I guess the plan is for China to get that land on the cheap.
Oh dear. I don't know if shedding happens or not. But if you think it makes sense to spend any time worrying about it, I think you are as lost as the maskers and the people who keep getting boosted. If shedding is real, you're not going to be able to avoid it. Face it. None of us are going to live forever.
And the baseline never goes back down to zero
The jab is safe and effective. Please repeat the Faucian mantra
I live a few minutes south of the city proper. It probably shouldn't be underestimated the extent the last couple of months has been unlike anything that preceeded it. In my opinion, the vast majority of people around here were fairly vigilant throughout 2020 and 2021, but by Spring 2022, they were "over it", and concluded that it was no longer worth the effort to arrange their lives around avoiding a COVID infection. The result has been that essentially everyone has gotten COVID, and most of us for the first time during the pandemic. We delayed the inevitable, but in the end, it was not possible to avoid it. How those numbers show up in official figures I don't know, because it's also coincided with the ubiquitous availability of home rapid tests.
It was never worth it to *anyone* to rearrange their life to avoid a Covid infection. Can't be done anyhow short of never coming into contact with another human being ever. Stop this nonsense. It's not about being vigilant.
I live in SF. I am not vaccinated. I do not wear a mask unless I have to go to a medical or dental office. Since March 2020 I have had 2 or 3 mild colds. I have never been tested for Covid and as far as I know I have never had it. I never catch the new strains of flu every year. Why does everyone say that catching Covid is inevitable? Maybe it is but I am not convinced.
Not vaxxed either and so far not even a sniffle.
Agreed, just pointing out that in my immediate environment, the vast majority of people did attempt to avoid infection from March 2020 to circa April 2022, but then after that, they did not. That could explain more than anything else the relatively high level of infections and hospitalizations this spring and early summer.
You missed my point. That is probably *not* what happened.
You can't escape a respiratory virus by being careful and as soon that gets to be common knowledge, the better off we'll all be.
What you are saying is that people didn't get sick because they were being careful and then got sick because dropped their guard. That is complete nonsense. Being careful might keep you from being mugged but viruses don't attack you like criminals.
Eh . . . I'm sympathetic to that argument, but it wasn't my experience. My son's school had weekly testing, I didn't allow them to test him, but most parents did allow it. They sent the report home weekly. So basically August 2021 until last month, we got a weekly report of exactly how many kids tested positive for COVID out of roughly 400. And basically, it was always zero until April 2022, and from then until the end of the school year, there were always been at least a dozen or so kids at the school testing positive every week.
We didn't take any measures beyond those required to avoid COVID and nobody in my immediate or extended family or of my immediate neighbors and friends maybe one or two out of 100 got COVID from March 2020 to April 2022. Since then, I'd say 90 out of 100 have gotten it. Nearly everyone I know.
I'm not really suggesting that I know any the exact reason why for two years of a pandemic essentially nobody around me got infected, and then in the last three months of the pandemic, nearly everyone got infected. But I will say that it's also a fact that behaviors changed around April this year as well, masks were dropped, social distancing rules eliminated, etc. But there were also supposedly more highly contagious variants circulating. So, again, I'm not the scientist, I'm just reporting a data point.
The data indicates that the vaccinated are most of the people who are getting sick. So as the number of shots people get increases, the more likely they are to get sick. That seems to be more logical an explanation.
Please understand. Social distancing doesn't work, masks don't work. You can find statistics that show that. Unfortunately, the vaccines don't work either but they make it more likely for people to get sick. The increases lately are probably due to the worthless boosters and the fact that any slight bit immunity that people may be getting from the vaccines wears off quickly. The shot also appears to wreck a person's natural immunity and the more shots a person gets, the worse their immunity.
My understanding is that there is probably cross immunity from other coronaviruses.
Probably. Or else a person's immune system just is able to deal with a subclinical case and you never notice anything.
Do we have data on the ages of the hospitalized or if they had any co-morbidities?
I overhear lots of covid talk in cafes etc. I heard a guy in the park the other day say how his friend woke up with Guillain-Barre. Of course he thinks it's from covid and not the vax.
The lack of intellectual curiosity in this city is astounding to me.